New Golf R

"KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time" (kngt) 11/04/2020 at 13:36 • Filed to: VW golf r, golf r, volkswagen golf r, vw, golf

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This is the most powerful VW Golf R ever built. Packing a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine, the new Golf R produces 315 horsepower (235 kilowatts) and 310 pound-feet (420 newton-meters), which gives it a 0-60 time of 4.7 seconds and a top track speed of 155 mph (250 kmh). Those power figures represent a 27-horse and 15-lb-ft increase compared to the previous model, and buyers can choose from either a six-speed manual transmission or an optional seven-speed DSG.

The 2022 VW Golf R will go on sale in the US beginning late next year. No word on pricing, but considering the 2019 model started at $40,395, expect the new version to cost just as much if not slightly more.

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WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 11/04/2020 at 13:38

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I want that.

ED IT: what I really fucking need are dates of availability. I fully intent on replacing my GTI with something (gestures wildly) from VAG and fast(ish). Without knowing when they’ll hit showrooms, it’s tough for me to plan.

HammerheadFistpunch > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 11/04/2020 at 13:41

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Sounds like they are switching to twin disc rear drive module instead of a diff.  Basically this is Germany’s Focus RS.  Neat.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 11/04/2020 at 13:43

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I like, but $$$$$$$.  To me a hot hatch has to be $30K or below.

ttyymmnn > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 11/04/2020 at 13:47

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BRB, going to rob a bank. 

Sovande > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 11/04/2020 at 13:49

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I’d guess 2022 based on the car being called the ‘2022 VW Golf R.’

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Sovande 11/04/2020 at 13:52

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I sold 2020 Sierras in August of 2019 so.........

Sovande > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 11/04/2020 at 13:57

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Fall of 2021 it is!!!

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Sovande 11/04/2020 at 14:02

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I’m more interested in knowing when I can order one, but yeah, most likely.

Textured Soy Protein > HammerheadFistpunch 11/04/2020 at 14:07

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This is the reason why the Golf R is finally interesting. 

HammerheadFistpunch > Textured Soy Protein 11/04/2020 at 14:08

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I don’t think it will make a huge difference in practice, but it is a more versatile system.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 11/04/2020 at 14:15

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Needs NSFW tag. God I want one, this is what the WRX STi should be .

Tripper > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 11/04/2020 at 14:20

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Oh baby, a manual R is what I should have bought when I bought the S3, then again when I bought the Alltrack. 3rd times a charm!

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 11/04/2020 at 14:38

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Really neat car on paper; glad a manual is available; seems like they’ve done a good job to get past the fact that it’s FWD based AWD with some magic and trickery.

Textured Soy Protein > HammerheadFistpunch 11/04/2020 at 15:26

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I dunno, the Golf R has always been the more refined, less powerful, less driveline trickery option vs stuff like the STI, Evo, FoRS, CTR .

Now only the STI and CTR are left, and they’re heavily on the performance side of the equation . The STI Limited gets you certain niceties like a sunroof and Recaros (with power on the drivers side oooo fancy) but it’s hardly luxurious.

But there are more luxo-leaning competitors like the M235i GC/X2 M35i, and A/CLA/GLA35. Technically the S3 goes up directly against these cars but the Golf R being the S3's mechanical twin is also in the conversation. The BMWs have a front LSD and the MBs have a twin clutch rear diff that manages the F/R torque split but not rear axle torque vectoring (that’s saved for the _A45 cars) .

Not that many people nerd out on driveline quirks to the extent that I do, but giving the Golf R (and S3) some more tail-happiness could go a long way towards competing against both the STI/CTR and the BMW/MBs. 

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 11/04/2020 at 15:26

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WRX needs to be a hatchback next go around.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 11/04/2020 at 15:29

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20” wheels.  Oooh goooood 

feather-throttle-not-hair > Textured Soy Protein 11/04/2020 at 16:33

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This exactly. Some of it is probably just silly machismo, but I have a hard time being interested in AWD cars that basically act like FWD cars without the wheelspin.

AWD handling can be very engaging and very interesting, but there either has to be a significant rear-bias, or they have to have some form of torque vectoring, or the car has to be operating on a surface without a ton of grip.

feather-throttle-not-hair > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 11/04/2020 at 16:37

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I think it was Svend that sent me a picture of the Toyota lineup in the UK recently. What stuck out to me was that the Yaris GR was on there and it was priced almost the exact same as the Camry Hybrid and the GT86, both $30K cars here in the U.S. (though I recognize you’re a Canadian but I assumed you were referencing USD for the benefit of your southern neighbors.)

It also weighs 2800 lbs. Of course, its ugly as sin and has an awful interior and is tiny, but it is the right price, offers plenty of power and is much lighter than most stuff out there. Maybe you guys will even get it in Canada! We will just be getting the fat, Corolla version here in the U.S. though.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > feather-throttle-not-hair 11/04/2020 at 16:40

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I was indeed referencing USD. That being said, I paid a hair over $20K Canadian for my Fiesta ST in 2015. Cheap fun!

there is no chance on us getting anything like that.

Textured Soy Protein > feather-throttle-not-hair 11/04/2020 at 17:34

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Generally I agree with what you said here but it all comes down to how well is a particular car set up, regardless of the exact driveline configuration .

I’ll compare a couple cars in my history, Mazdaspeed 6 and BMW 335xi. The MS6 had a fwd-based system but it was programmed to proactively send power to the rear in turns, and had a helical rear LSD. I did only basic suspension mods on it like lowering springs and camber kits to get the alignment dialed in. The 335xi had an active center differential with a base 40/60 F/R torque split and open front and rear differentials. It had shocks, springs, rear sway bar, a bunch of hardened bushings & mounts, camber kits, etc.

The 335xi was easier to rotate with the throttle, but the MS6 was much better at trail braking into turns and powering out of them real quick. The adjusting the line with the gas was more limited to tightening the path through a turn after an apex. Between that and the too-slow steering gear ratio on the 335xi, it was much easier to drive the MS6 stupidly, trail braking into turns and then jumping on the gas letting the driveline sort things out . The 335xi was more of a handful and the traction/stability control was too quick to intervene in spur-of-the-moment aggressive turns. It pretty much had to be put into traction off/stability on mode to be any fun. 

And...now I have a fwd + helical LSD Civic Si with way less power than either of those cars.

feather-throttle-not-hair > Textured Soy Protein 11/04/2020 at 17:45

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True, that’s not the first i’d heard similar things about X-drive BMW 3-series’.

Ironically, the person I heard that from now has a current gen Civic Si. He loves it.

Saracen > Textured Soy Protein 11/04/2020 at 19:49

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The nice thing about the Haldex diff though is that it is electronically controlled.  There are Haldex controllers available for the Golf R’s that introduce significantly more rear axle bias, and allow plenty of tail out shenanigans.  

Textured Soy Protein > Saracen 11/04/2020 at 20:14

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Yeah t hat’s more rear bias but a) aftermarket; and b) all the “bend physics” awd cars do that with trick differentials at the axle(s).   My rear biased + open diffs 335xi was more of a handful than my fwd haldex-style (but with programming to proactively send power rear in turns) + rear helical lsd Mazdaspeed 6. So to me the torque vectoring on the M k8 is  cool and honestly the first time I’ve thought a Golf R was cool since the Mk5 , which wasn’t exactly fast but a different era and I just liked the sound. 

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > HammerheadFistpunch 11/04/2020 at 23:53

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The Focus RS is Germany’s Focus RS. Since it was designed and built in Germany 

Saracen > Textured Soy Protein 11/05/2020 at 01:41

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Eh, the snobbery against Haldex doesn’t jive with me. Of all the cars I’ve owned, it was the most sophisticated and proactive AWD system (including my 997 C4S which uses a basic viscous coupling), and the traction it delivered was as good as anything else, dry, rain  or snow. My Golf R’s AWD system was in no way inferior to my B6 A4's Torsen based system, or my B8 allroad’s ‘crown gear’ diff.

The fact that it could be reprogrammed to give more RWD bias is icing on the cake. But I’ve never shied away from the aftermarket.

Damn, I miss that car. *looks at MK6 Golf R’s on Autotrader*

Textured Soy Protein > Saracen 11/05/2020 at 08:35

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I’m not anti-Haldex, like I said, the Haldex-equivalent MS6 (with rear LSD) was more predictable and chuckable than the electronic Torsen-mimicking 335xi. I just always want the most possible fancy differentials.

Saracen > Textured Soy Protein 11/05/2020 at 12:58

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Sorry, not necessarily pointing it at you. Just venting about whenever nerds say Haldex isn’t “true AWD” and thumb their noses at Audis/VWs/Volvos that use Haldex systems.